MIT Unveils Oil-Skimming Robot Swarm Prototype 123
destinyland writes "Today MIT reveals a swarm of autonomous floating robots that can digest an oil spill. The 16-foot robots drag a nanowire mesh that acts like a conveyor belt to soak up surface oil 'like paper towels soak up water,' absorbing 20 times its weight and then harmlessly 'digesting' the oil by burning it off. Powered by 21.5 square feet of solar panels, the 'Seaswarm' robots run on the power of a lightbulb, and with just 100 watts 'could potentially clean continuously for weeks' without human intervention, MIT announced. The swarm uses GPS data and communicates wirelessly to move as a coordinated group to 'corral, absorb and process' oil spills, and MIT researchers estimate that a fleet of 5,000 could clean up a gulf-sized spill within one month."
Yeah! (Score:4, Insightful)
Burning oil is well known for being harmless!
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Notice the URL - it's MIT saying this, not someone mis-quoting them.
Also, good luck with that during hurricane season.
Additionally, bad math alert. To clean up 5 million barrels in 30 days with 5,000 units, each unit would have to pick up 33 barrels a day. 16'x7'= 112 square feet. A barrel is 42 gallons, and there are 7.5 gallons in a cubic foot. So, 33 barrels is 1,385 gallons, or 184.5 cubic feet. Your skimmer will be towing a chunk of oil-soaked nanofibres half a yard thick - you're not going to be making much headway dragging that with only 100 watts (1/8 horsepower).
It might start out okay, but as you collect oil, it will get worse, so take that 1 month and make it a year.
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Also, it seems unlikely the 100W skimmer is going to be doing much burning itself. So I presume it has to deliver the skimmed oil to some other location -- which takes time and power as well.
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Last I checked burning oil didn't require energy.
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Did you ever try to light it? Once it's going good, it's exothermic, no doubt. But spontaneous combustion while floating on water isn't as common as you might think.
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Ok, so what you are saying that instead of nuking the well now we should nuke the whole gulf? :D
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And while most of the socks in the drawer are red, that one is blue!
What? Are we into non-sequitur foo? ;D
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1) it's a prototype, if you have a 50% cleanup duty cycle, you'll need 10k units not 5k.
2) If you notice it doesn't drag the nano fibers, it uses a conveyor belt of them to move. By ensuring that the belt if hard to move in one direction, and easy to move in the other, should should be able to crawl your way forward.
3) True, there seems to be some dubious math, but are you saying that is a reason to not let them test it out? hmm seems like the worse that could happen at this point is they flounder around in
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Also you would think 21.5 square feet of solar panels would generate more than a 100 watts, even if your saving power for night time running. .
its a pity they cant generate some power from the oil burning to power the craft, or maybe its capturing a lot of the heat energy which is why the heating bi
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If it w
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They (MIT) state in their video a spill of 5,000,000 barrels. I'm using MIT's own figures. So no, the only bad math is theirs, not mine. Just like they think that it would be easy to heat the collected crude to the point of combustion. It's not, and they only have 100 watts (300 btu) to play with. You can't even light up a puddle of refined #2 diesel by throwing a lit match on it. How much worse a waterlogged mat? All you'll do is liquify a small area, which will then flow, and dissipate the heat.
If it would burn on its own, there wouldn't have been a problem - the entire gulf would have burned off instead of spreading in a widening slick.
FTA
I'm assuming burnt locally isn't necessarily the same as burnt onboard, a
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Not "the surface".
The video also makes the claim - that 5,000 could clean up a 5,000,000 barrel spill in one month. Not "the surface" of a 5,000,000 barrel spill.
Stop getting your information from other mis-informed comments - read the mis-informed MIT article instead :-p
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From the article:
"By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused."
That's not entirely clear and the video doesn't add anything regarding delivery of captured oil to a 'local' repository for disposal. It looks like they're glossing over this part.
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What, is this a global-warming remark? All that oil was destined for burning anyway. It's doing a hell of a lot less harm being burnt than it is choking off marine life.
But nuance is dead in the climate-change "debate"; go figure.
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It was bound to happen anyway. Better than having it in the ocean.
Only problem I assume is that the oil isn't at the surface.
Well, that and they don't have 5000 robots, and I don't see how they would "catch 'em all"(it).
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Why would we want to burn the oil, when we could use it for our cars, especially when the OIL industry tried to make us believe there was a shortage starting...we could use this oil from the spill to actually help us instead of aimlessly burning it up! I prefer Kevin Costner's centrifugal machine where it splits the oil from the water and then can be processed further later on....I think we could figure a way out to build a fleet of these and not only be able to use them to filter out oil from water, but ma
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That's a lot of oil to burn (Score:2)
Next thing you need is an electronic sensor that can smell and taste oil in the air and water. Then working as a swarm they can find oil spills, move to them autonomously and consume them.
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Solar is much simpler. You just need a panel and a battery.
Burning oil is more complicated. You need an engine that can burn crude mixed with whatever it mixes with in the water (some rugged diesel engine maybe?), a pump, a tank to have the ability to move through clean water, an electric generator to power the circuitry, a battery as well (for starting the motor for instance). It's going to be heavy and complicated, more prone to failure, and harder to keep afloat. And definitely more expensive. And it'll
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I don't think you could get a very good explosion out of the crude oil, but it should burn hot enough to heat and turn a steam turbine. It has plenty of water when its in the ocean. it doesn't have to burn very hot. there aren't many moving parts. it makes sense to use the oils energy if your burning it anyway, but it wont always be on top of oil.
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> Burning oil is more complicated.
How so? MIT have allegedly already figured out how to collect oil to burn it.
You could use a Stirling or Ericsson cycle engine or others. The heat sink is the ocean.
They claim to only need 100 watts of electrical power, and they're willing to have 2 square metres of PV panels.
There's about 37 megajoules of energy in one litre of crude oil. Assuming your engine has a 10% efficiency from oil to electricity, you need to burn 0.027 millilitres per second. 0.027 millilitres p
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You'll need to get trilobots first.
OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? (Score:3, Interesting)
OK, each unit sops up some oil, using "nanowires". Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.
A fleet of semi-autonomous skimmers that deliver oil to a collection ship or a shore station would be useful. Operations like that are risky for small boats, as are operations near shore, near rocks and reefs, and such. So it's a good robot application.
The "nanowires" just sound like the usual hype from MIT's PR operation (which has gotten out of hand enough to be an embarrassment for MIT.)
Re:OK, so it sops up some oil. Then what? (Score:4, Informative)
Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.
The way I read it was that each bot disposed of the oil by burning it on-site. No need for central collection.
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Oh great, just what we needed. Pyromaniac robots.
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So, skip the self-propelled aspect, just attach floaters to the absorbent, toss them in the sea, pick them up, pass them through a wringer to squeeze out the oil instead of heating it, rea-attach the floaters and toss them back in.
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Right. So the key here is downward scalability. In the proposed system concept, the oil/water separation process doesn't take energy input. You only have to put energy into the process when you've collected enough oil to make it worthwhile to bootstrap a process whereby you burn the oil you recover to power further separation.
The alternative would be to build somewhat larger robots that had some kind of centrifuge separator. That'd work too, but only if you could drop the robot right on a nice thick oil s
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power can be had, something like the SEADOG [www.inri.us] or the OPT [oceanpower...logies.com] would work well near shore, booms could channel any oil to the centrifuge for processing on a cheap semi-permanent basis. Something like the Pelamis WEC [pelamiswave.com] looks like it wound be towable and able to power processing on the open sea.
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And I would suggest you get some facts - yo can't just burn waterlogged crude oil by putting a match to it, any more than you can burn a puddle of diesel fuel by throwing a lit match on it.
So forget the idea of burning it on site - even if you divert ALL the energy to heating the mat, 100 watts won't do it - that's 300 btus. Nowhere near enough to get ignition started. The heat will just be conducted away as the crude turns to semi-liquid state before re-congealing.
The design doesn't work.
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No, it's 33 barrels a day to arrive at the 5,000 robots can clean up 5,000,000 barrels in one month. Do the math. It's not hard - unless you're an MIT "scientist".
Otherwise, each robot would have to collect 1,000 barrels at one time. That would represent a layer 45 feet high on their 16'x7' fabric. Do you really believe that a 1/8 hp electric motor could tow that much?
Their math sucks. Their thinking does too,
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If it has already started burning then?
Because I can't see how anyone can claim how much energy 100 watts is.
What if it got enough solar cells to produce 100 watts for 24 hours before using the stored energy within 0.2 seconds to ignite the oil?
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Did you miss all those videos of the red oil foam? As well as the fact that there's still going to be mechanical mixing of the two?
Also, you can't even light refined diesel fuel with a spark. Make a puddle of diesel on the ground and throw a lit match on it. The match will go out. Room-temperature crude is a lot harder to burn than refined diesel.
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No, what I said is that you have to have a large enough heat source to not only heat a sufficient quantity up, but maintain the temperature for long enough for it to actually burn. Think of laser pulses used for hair removal. They certainly are intense, but because they're of such short duration, you couldn't set anything on fire if you wanted to. Tar is hard to start burning - the usual way in industrial accidents is with an oxy-acetylene torch. But you can safely play that torch over the surface and the
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The robot moves around on the skimmer and not the other way around? Moving the robot is probably much easier =P
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Why isn't the gulf a sea of flames? Because you can't just toss a match on crude and expect it to burn - you need enough heat to vaporize a portion of the oil - your 100 watt PV array isn't going to give you enough energy to start a fire - all that will happen is that you'll liquify a small (very small) portion, which will then flow away, conducting the heat with it.
Try this - take a puddle of diesel fuel (a LOT easier to burn than crude) and t
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No, you don't. The surface area of the atoms in question respective to the enclosed volume and their mean free path before coming into contact with another atom guarantees that the "fire" is quenched immediately. It never even gets statted, You oxidize a few particles, that's all.
I seriously doubt it. BTW, only 65% of MIT graduate students
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The "nanowires" just sound like the usual hype from MIT's PR operation (which has gotten out of hand enough to be an embarrassment for MIT.)
*sigh*. I wish that I was back up in the 'Tech on Boylston Street...
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Exactly my point. They cannot burn the oil, that would not work and damage the fabric. The video says you "heat up" the fabric and it releases the oil. So what is missing from the video is an expensive, energy hungry tender that these things have to go back to whenever they have soaked up the, maybe, half barrel they can hold.
Suddenly this does not look too good anymore. It certainly does not look fast and "autonomous" goes right out the window with the tender.
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Exactly my point. They cannot burn the oil, that would not work and damage the fabric. The video says you "heat up" the fabric and it releases the oil. So what is missing from the video is an expensive, energy hungry tender that these things have to go back to whenever they have soaked up the, maybe, half barrel they can hold.
Once the oil is released from the fabric, then you burn it. They don't need to hold the oil.
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They do need to hold the oil until they get back to the tender Ship and it is removed there. Burning the oil directly destroys the collector fabric.
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They do need to hold the oil until they get back to the tender Ship and it is removed there. Burning the oil directly destroys the collector fabric.
They plan to remove the oil from the fabric first, then burn it. Since the oil is no longer in contact with the fabric, the fabric won't be harmed.
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Indeed. Bu the whole implementation of removing the oil is missing and will not nearly be as easy or "cool" as suggested.
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I'm not understanding why the Hive-ship tender has to be "Energy Hungry" it just follows the swarm. When a worker skim-bot is full it just returns to the hive,
1. climbs the ramp and dumps it's oil into a tank,
2. does diagnostics and reports for repairs if necessary,
3. gets any batteries or fuel tanks topped off,
4. enter the queue for redeployment.
The hive ship is getting dry oil that's not even that crude anymore, the heavy residuals sank all ready and the volatiles evaporate
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Then what? The oil then has to be transferred to some collection boat. That part isn't implemented.
FTFA:
The fabric, developed by MIT Visiting Associate Professor Francesco Stellacci, and previously featured in a paper published in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, can absorb up to twenty times its own weight in oil while repelling water. By heating up the material, the oil can be removed and burnt locally and the nanofabric can be reused.
Yeah, we need someone to point out "FTFA" replies on /.
Vaporware? (Score:1)
re Hell No! It's not a 'thing of the past'! (Score:2)
You migh want to check out the consequences of the oil spill and the use of dispersants before making such comments!
From a scientist a the scene: The oil spill's toxic trade-off [ted.com]
I do not follow the calculation (Score:1, Interesting)
5000000 barrels and 5000 robots, that gives 1000 barrels for each robot and month??
so in one day one single robot will take up approx 30 barrels: that is more than one barrel per hour
day and night?
Seems to me as some MIT miscalculation or am I missing something?
Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
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Harmless? Not likely... (Score:4, Funny)
Let's see... they're tiny robots, they consume raw materials...
Mark my words - pretty soon some bright lab jockey will come up with the idea of giving them the ability to build more of themselves using those raw materials. And we all know what'll happen next.
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... And we all know what'll happen next.
Good thing we have sharks that can zap those buggers with their lasers. Hopefully the don't reproduce too fast.
Heed the words of Michael Crichton (Score:1)
Looks like BS: missing critical component (Score:2)
It seems this thing (and the video) is pure fantasy: It does not show anywhere how in practice the oil is going to be removed and how much oil each robot can carry. In my view, that leaves an absolute critical component out and makes this whole thing a publicity stunt and nothing more. Especially its power consumption is a pure lie, as the stated ratings are never going to be enough to remove the oil from the mat. Think of a swarm of these things and a large tender with huge energy needs that they have to g
solar power? (Score:2)
Collecting and burning oil but using...solar for power? Seems odd. Maybe a mech eng can explain.
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The oil being collected is generally very heavy, but can vary in composition. Oil of that type cannot be used in any normal type of combustion engine. That limits you to engine that rely solely on difference in temperatures rather than ones that try to control combustion. You could run a sterling engine off of this, but you have to consider what happens between oil slicks in the same area. If the slicks are too far apart, your robots run outta energy and just sit.
Solar energy on the other hand will always b
I already got one (Score:1)
Menace to navigation? (Score:2)
As shown, there's no provision for navigation lights.
I believe under the maritime Rules of the Road [boatingsafety.com] [PDF], one of these would be classified as a ``vessel not under command'', in which case it should display two red lights, one above the other, at night, and two black balls ditto during the day. (Rule 27 (a)) I don't know whether these are large enough to require such displays, but hit one of them in a sailboat at good speed, and you could be in real trouble.
Additionally, a radar reflector would b
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5000 Autonomous Vehicles??? (Score:1)
I don't think the designers appreciate the difficulties what they are proposing.
First they suggest someone could/should have thousands of these autonomous vehicles sitting around (in an operational state) waiting for oil spills (with no auxiliary purpose).
Second they ignore the sheer chaos that would ensue as thousands of small, low-profile vehicles travel in and around other vessels necessary to actually stop/control an oil spill. These things wont show up on radar. They probably can't be seen at night, an
Sodium chloride available here (Score:2)
Remember that any technology looks best a) when in development, and b) to its originators. Take any and all numbers and promises and scale them back from 50 to 80%.
Random thought: Put one in the water upside down---can it right itself? Because it's guaranteed that in heavy seas they'll be flipped over every so often.
On the other hand, given that the waves could flip it back up, as well, on average you'd have 50% of them rightside up at any time. It might be easier to double the number of gizmos t
Point? (Score:2)
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Well, some googling suggests that it's aerobic, and needs extra nitrogen and phosphorus.
So, yeah, it'll happily munch on the oil, but it consumes oxygen, and it requires nitrogen, which is a recipe for an algal bloom for yet more deoxygenation. So not only everything gets to get poisoned by the oil while it's there, they'll also suffocate when the bacteria get to it. That sounds like an awesome plan.
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Glad to be proven wrong, then.
Still, I don't see why not clean it up even faster. Not like the oil is doing any good floating there. And some googling suggests that the bacteria only eat hydrocarbons, so whatever remains after that still would need to be dealt with.
MIT and solar powered nano autonomous robot swarms (Score:2)
Can MIT come up with something else than "solar powered nano technology autonomous robot swarms". Is this the "Build a really cool solution, and then spend a decade looking for the problem it solves"
Would be nice to see some innovation there. Are they not supposed to have the skills and intelligence to think outside the box and go in new directions?
- a NON-autonomous robot
- a FOSSIL powered something
- some new MACRO technology.
MIT Can Reclaim 3% of the Oil, Not Bad (Score:2)
Better than Kevin Costner's Oil Extractor Machine (Score:1)
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IF those movies were about the inevitability of machines turning on us, that joke might have been funny!